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Eddie's Desire to "Clothesline" Jamie--Unacceptable?:
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| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:09 am |
uh, Jujubean, are you saying that Eddie should tweak Jamie's nipple and hit her in the eye?? would that be acceptable to everyone? nipple for a nipple, eye for an eye?
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:11 am |
This thread has 199 posts and I've only read a few so I'm not influenced so much by what people are saying here but my initial reaction to what happened on the show.
Eddie seemed to me to be goofing on Jamie. He did it all the time with Brittany. Remember at the beginning of the show when everyone was quiet and he just screamed out. The guy is bored. Granted, it may have been in poor taste with Jamie because of her being uncomfortable with it. Brittany would give it right back to him.
I asked my 19 year old daughter what she thought of this and she said "she obviously doesn't have a teenage brother". I don't feel it comes close to abuse.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:12 am |
I'm a big Eddie fan and didn't see it as 100% playing around. I saw it as verbal intimidation disguised as playing around. He was purposely pushing and testing her for her reaction. Since this is a game and he likes to stir things up I don't find it odd or out of character for him to do that, nor do I find it wrong in the context of a game.
I don't believe for a minute that Eddie is on his way to becoming a wife beater based upon this or banging pots & pans around. There are many other traits he'd need to show. Eddie doesn't strike me as the possessive type, seeing as his girlfriend is overseas quite a bit. Spousal abusers suffer from low self esteem and transfer that onto their victim by keeping them under constant guard, isolated from friends and family as much as possible and by constanting chipping away at their victims self esteem so the victim feels they were deserving of the abuse. After a physical attack the abuser will be quite apologetic and loving in order to re-establish trust then repeat the pattern. Quite nasty and a lot more serious than verbal intimidation in what can be considered a game and sport, which is how Eddie views this.
As for anyone getting beaten, it's Eddie who keeps saying he is going to get his butt kicked by Monica when he gets out. He's warned the girls in the house to stay away or Monica will go after them too. His girlfriend doesn't sound like a push over. Rather than dump her and find a more quiet submissive type of girl, he adores her. I am surprised Jamie hasn't figured out that she'd gain Eddie's respect by following Monica's lead and speaking up. If she wanted to be light hearted she could have laughed and said "Go pick on someone your own size." But I'll agree she's not use to finding herself in this situation and may have been at a loss for words.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:15 am |
... yah, but doesn't Eddie *wear* wifebeater undershirts 'n whatnot? correlation? do guys in who beat their wives wear wifebeaters because they beat their wives? or do guys who wear wifebeaters become beaters of their wives?
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:15 am |
Well, let's face the fact that anyone that would call Eddie on his behavior would be frowned upon and targeted by a lot of people. It's just not PC to get into it with a one legged cancer survivor. Eddie has a clear advantage, whether anyone likes it or not.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:15 am |
I'm just trying to lighten things up a bit, as we set a record on the boards biggest, and quite possibly, stupidest thread....(Which I keep posting to by the way)
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:29 am |
That's your opinion. I would have got into it with him, jokingly of course. Cassandra called him on his behaviour several times (not in an angry way). Even Brittany did.
I think what you have here is a situation in a house with a gazillion cameras, with 500k at stake and everyone except Eddie worried about editing and "story lines". That, I think is what people are saying when they say Eddie is being "real".
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:35 am |
I was watching the show with a lady and a guy..both adult,the guy was taken aback and said that he felt uncomfortable with what Eddie had said to Jamie..then he noted that Jamie got up and left,clearly she was uncomfortable.
I didn't see the whole thing but I don't trust BBs editing and I am not going to trash Eddie on the basis of what I saw.
I have less respect for the two guys who just sat there and did nothing..Eddie has become the alpha male of the group and they won't challenge him.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 02:39 am |
escuse me people but I just have to put my 2 cents in about the Eddie clothes line Jamie thing . It does come from WWF(take down). I had a completely different impression of it. Here's some things to consider. Go back to early in the game, remember when Jamie said she "really" likes Eddie "alot"?
She has been following him around ever since. I don't think any thing has changed . The problem is they have absolutely nothing in common and nothing to say to each other, but have alot of chemistry between them. The result is frustration for them both. This explains why they constantly nominate each other each week, but can't seem to stay away from each other for long. I know you Jamie haters don't like this take on it, but, Have you ever run across some one you can't talk to, but your drawn to them any way ,and you can't explain it??
It makes you bonkers. I think George not being in the house as the parent figure increases the tension between them too, not to mention it's been 3 months for the guys since ....aheeem, well you know,their probaly feeling pretty ;shall we say "pent up" by now- Eddie especially since he's youngest and a bit wild too. My first impression of the clothes line thing it was just another example of the intense sexual tension between them. When Jamie went to Eddies bed side (after the "incident") and once again told him how much she likes him and then wanted to hug him, well, that confirmed it for me. I think it's amusing to watch the whole Curtis-chases-Jamie-Jamie-chases-Eddie soap opera.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 03:24 am |
... while Josh's head rotates like Linda Blair in The Excorcist ...
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 04:42 am |
Eddie's actions made me very uncomfortable. I believe that he has a mean streak that will cause him problems in the future. Jamie did the right thing by leaving the table. It was not funny.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 04:43 am |
So much ado about so little...Eddie was being obnoxious trying to get a rise out of Jamie....but Jamie is always so busy mentally calculating what "the public" thinks, she sits frozen with no natural comment...she "played the victim" in this episode...any normal twentysomething woman today would have told Eddie where to go and what to do when he got there...but not Jamie...she's acting her role....
by the way...if the other bozos at the table really thought Eddie was doing something more than fooling around, don't you think they would have/should have told him to knock it off?
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 05:13 am |
If Jamie didn't like it she would have spoken to Eddie about it. or maybe it would have been a "storyline"
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 06:34 am |
When I was much younger I had an abusive boyfriend. He was nothing like Eddie. His behavior did not start out like Eddie's is now. My ex's behavior started out as extreme jealousy. Speaking from experience I would say that abusive relationships are about control. Eddie left his girlfriend for 3 months. He presumably trusts her for I've heard nothing from him to indicate he doesn't. He mentions her and seems to really care and miss her, but he doesn't seem obsessive about her. My ex needed to know where I was every min. of every day. He needed to control me. I believe he used violence as a means to control me.
I haven't seen any evidence of controlling behavior from Eddie. Nor do I see anger. He is loud and obnoxious. He is a clown. He says things for shock value.
I see many people trying to project their feelings and bias onto the houseguests. The Eddie haters read things into everything he says and does. They see things one way while his supporters see things differently. Its the same with all of them. Its the same with Jamie. Some people hate her. She can't do anything right in their eyes. If she does or says something nice its because she is in their eyes a phony 2-faced prima donna. Other people see only good in her they dismiss everything negative she does.
We all do it for the most part. We think we are being objective while the people who don't agree with us aren't. Many people are quick to tell other posters how much they respect their opinions or think that they have brought up really good points etc as long as the poster shares their same views.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 06:46 am |
You people who were upset by this obviously don't have a brother, or a brother-in-law. This is what they do, act stupid towards their sister! And Jamie's reaction? She doesn't know HOW to react to a brother. She's never had a family, which has been pointed out, time and time again. It was all in fun, and was only a teasing play by a big brother or a guy showing a little interest in the opposite sex. If you noticed, the clip they showed shortly after showed Jamie going into his bedroom and sitting on the bed with him and telling him she really liked him. So it couldn't have bothered her too much! Get over it people! Quit trying to make mountains out of molehills! I can remember plenty of times I let my brothers get to me, but they didn't mean anything by it, it's just "guys" being guys and having fun by picking on the opposite sex.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 06:48 am |
And! Remember! She wanted him to treat he like he did Brittany! Now he is! So she should enjoy it, or shut the crap up! He did a lot worse to Brit.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:09 am |
A LOT of posts on this topic.. but I want to add my reaction. I had not seen the live feeds so I only saw the edited version on TV and, as I watched it, I turned to my husband and said
"That girl has NO sense of humor".
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:21 am |
After the first time, it became offensive. There is a limit for anyone. Come here honey, let's see how you like it.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:36 am |
Regardless of motivation, if a man is too immature to understand that physically intimidating a young woman is improper, or that doing so before a national television audience might offend a lot of people, then I'd say this man is too immature to be rewarded with large sums of prize money.
Yet the young woman should have spoken up if she felt uncomfortable. He may have crossed the line but she must also take some responsibility for setting her own personal boundaries.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:45 am |
My opinion is that it was an immature gesture which is often done by a brother to a sister. I think that is just typical Eddie. If it had been Brit she probably would have wrestled him to the ground and ended it right there.
Most important I really do believe that if Josh and Curtis had felt that Jaime was in true physical danger, they would have reacted.
I am not saying that I agree with his behavior, I don't. But I do not think it any more negative than a lot of his other behavior. As far as winning the money, I haven't thought he should for a long time.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 07:54 am |
Boy I sure must have missed something. Wasn't this whole incident just Eddie play fighting? I can't believe theres such a controversy over this? BTW great post Nadi..
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 08:01 am |
Lindahntx I do have a brother. Put a set mousetrap in my underwear drawer, yes. Ever raise his hand to me even in play, never. It's all in the way you are raised.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 08:10 am |
As I said early on in this very long thread, my issue was not with Eddie's "joke" or "threat" (whichever you choose to view it as). I just thought he was stupid this late in the game to behave in a manner that would risk getting negative votes from the audience. For a "game player," he just hasn't a clue how to win over the public. Obviously this one stunt has polarized the audience more than any since Cass's Red Room complaints about her hair. For a guy who wants to win half a million bucks, he sure is a jerk.
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 08:12 am |
webrover, I was raised in a good home- and my brother and I used to beat the crap out of eachother. Its not all in the way you are raised, it's all in temperment and personality.
BTW- Im older than him and used to pummel him, 'till one day all the sudden he shot up to 6 ft and was a giant..lol
| Friday, September 22, 2000 - 08:16 am |
Would you all quit talking about how Jamie got up and left. Read the prior posts. The people watching the live feeds have stated that it didn't happen that way. She did not get up and leave right away but continued to seat there and finish her meal.
My brother always used me to try out his new wrestling moves. He is now 40. A warm, caring family man. Definately not a closet abuser, so get over it already.